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General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: December 02, 2014, 04:25:04 AM »
haha, you're still calling me fucky.

(Your "I don't want to argue with this, so rubber/glue, etc" posts are pretty funny, I have to admit.)

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: December 01, 2014, 11:48:20 PM »
Anyone who does in fact care about ethics in game journalism should realize by now that the name GamerGate is toxic to the cause and should really be moved away from.

Then what do you suggest should be done? Give up? Adopt a new name?

Move away from the name, definitely. Maybe try not to be so vocal to people who tend to have the pile on and harassment mentality, I guess? It's a tough question, but what's being done right now is toxic in a number of ways, and can definitely be done better. I know that it's usually the vocal minority that gives a whole movement a bad name, but it seems exceedingly rare that I've interacted with anyone who just has good will in mind. KiA is really jarring in this regard, and 8chan is, of course the death of good will, being distilled awful. Given the movement was born out of bad will, well, that seems to be indicative of a problem in the first place. You seem to be one of the few people I've interacted with that actually seems to have good will in mind. James, on the other hand...

Someone here doesn't wanna do research. Again, I bring up how the FTC are releasing a new code of ethics for journalism to adhere to that will be officially released next year.

Oh wow, a potentially good change to come out of the endless sea of acid! Impressive. I'm amazed that such a community could do even one thing right.

If you don't wanna actually provide examples of what you're talking about as proof, then by all means continue to not make a difference.

I'm just gonna continue to watch the news unfold and laugh at anti-GGs footbulleting themselves.

What you've just described yourself doing is schadenfreude, not action, but you've chided me for my lack of making a difference. Good job. Pat yourself on the back some more, you deserve it.

P.S.: If you actually have proof, take it to "#GamerGate Harrassment Patrol", which I'm definitely sure you never heard of or else you wouldn't continue going on about what it isn't. Investigation (and reporting if need be) will be done.

Yep, I've heard of them. I've also heard about their hypocrisy. Though please excuse me, I haven't actually saved any of the links about how shitty of a job they've done, because I don't actually care enough to try to change your mind about anything--since it's pretty clear that I'm actually talking to a brick wall and not someone reasonable.

I really should be ignoring this debacle but it's like a scab. I can't stop picking at it, even though I know it's bad for me

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: December 01, 2014, 09:28:57 PM »
I suppose my problem with the IGDA's use of this list is that, from what I understand, they were spruiking it as a list of "the worst harassers" which is a trifle unfair for the "false positives" caught on it. There appears to have been no research done on the IGDA's part that might otherwise have warned them away from such an unequivocal description of it.
You're absolutely right. This list is a far cry from "the worst offenders". I heard they removed the link shortly after it was put up, though.

In this particular case, the tool was written for use in filtering out the majority of GamerGate supporters.
Turns out, at this point, most of the people who describe themselves as "pro-GG" are the vitriolic people who tend to not care as much about ethics in journalism and are really just trying to save face and deflect criticism. What percentage of your posts in this topic have been "wow look at this shit that journalists have been doing that's corrupt!" vs "waaaah they're criticizing how we're reacting!"?

Anyone who does in fact care about ethics in game journalism should realize by now that the name GamerGate is toxic to the cause and should really be moved away from.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: December 01, 2014, 05:39:56 AM »
I wish.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: November 30, 2014, 11:47:42 PM »
"vomiting up the kool-aid"

Says the guy who claimed that the creator of the blacklist was SUCH A VICTIM, when in reality she's a nasty piece of work who decided to bully people who tried appealing to get off of the list & even started doxxing people that formally submitted such requests, and even went so far as to personally bully Claire Schumann off of Twitter just for trying to be neutral. How's THAT Kool-Aid coming up for you?

I recently unfollowed her due to how vitriolic she's gotten. She lacks a lot of awareness as to the effect she's having, and while she's definitely been bullied, that doesn't seem to stop her from throwing it out a lot too. She seems to be mostly blind to her bullying others, though, thinking that it's always just, when I've definitely seen cases where it's just pouring fuel on the fire.

Also um, does anyone actually have proof that the one person she bullied off that everyone points to wasn't a sockpuppet? She's really insistent that it's a sockpuppet, and claims to have proof, but I'm not actually sure one way or the other.

So yeah, that thing about the list being only for "trying to block people from harassing you before it occurs"? Could've fucking fooled me.

Seriously, could've fucking fooled me.

I re-read this like 5 times trying to figure out what you were trying to make a point of. It pretty much explicitly says what I said, and I'm not sure what part you're trying to highlight that would contradict me.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: November 30, 2014, 06:08:49 PM »
Oni Lukos, what are you doing here? I thought you were taking your own advice and leaving, given how you have nothing to add and won't listen to anything that doesn't agree with your views explicitly.
Why are you calling me by a name I haven't used in 8 years? Are you trying to denigrate me weakly? Also, calling me trying to call out the blatant lies and kool-aid drinking qualifies as nothing to add? Alright, I guess you can continue to put your hands over your ears and drown out the people calling you on bullshit. I guess you're really the one who has nothing to add other than vomiting up the kool-aid.

Try some critical thinking sometime. I left because you were pissing me off so much due to your lack of useful rhetoric and only shit-poor rhetoric in its place. TRY FOR ONCE. You aren't even COUNTERING MY POINTS, you are IGNORING THEM ENTIRELY and trying to push me out so I don't continue to call you on shit. This is not conversations work.

Arch, do you actually know any of the 6 people that the heuristic useses to determine if following is a big deal? One of them is a British journalist who got interested in GamerGate because there was a story. You can't just call random people on the internet Toolbags.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Milo (I don't know his last name), but he's kind of a sensationalist asshole who is only writing to cash in on the story and at one point even said that they were taking things too far. He works for Breitbart, ffs. The controversies section on the wikipedia article about that site is significantly larger than the rest of the article...that's not a good sign.

There are multiple problems with the blocklist. It assumes guilt by association, it assumes following someone on Twitter is an endorsement of their actions, it assumes that someone that's a member/proponent of GamerGate is by definition a harasser, it could lead to numerous people getting blocked for no reason. Here's the biggest problem: It blocks people as being harrasser without actually checking whether they've ever harassed anyone. On top of this, it makes IGDA take a political position on the issue, since the the list is based on supporting GamerGate rather than any actual action.

Saying whitelisting is a solution to this is a "guilty until proven innocent". How would someone even know they're on the blocklist unless they first know it exists, then manually searchit themselves?

Yeah, you're actually right, in some regards. The blacklist isn't a really good solution for, you know, saying if someone is actually a harasser. It's only useful for trying to block people who are the most likely to harass you, but it also blocks people you'd probably never interact with anyway. It casts too wide a net, but for most people the negative effects are negligible. Trying to glean any useful information about who is on the list is bad, given how rife it is with false positives. The fact that people are trying to do that...yeah, it shows that people aren't understanding that the list it only for trying to block people from harassing you before it occurs. It's gone too far.

General Rotors / Re: Have you ever met a real hedgehog?
« on: November 28, 2014, 07:20:44 PM »
Can I keep my stellar quality furry Sonic OCs?
If you can find any, I don't see why not.

General Rotors / Re: Have you ever met a real hedgehog?
« on: November 27, 2014, 11:39:43 PM »
Hedgecoon? Get your shitty furry sonic OCs out of here.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: November 23, 2014, 12:15:37 AM »
Today's news: James hasn't done his research. It's one person, that same person I linked to early, Randi Harper. Who is not affiliated with the IGDA. It's a twitter blocklist, not an industry blacklist. All it's for is blocking people on Twitter. So that you don't get harassed by an army when you mention something about GamerGate. All IGDA did was link to it as a way to avoid getting harassed. They have since removed the link, anyway.

Also that's not shitty coding, that's its only heuristic. If you follow a bunch of toolbags, chances are you might be too. There is a whitelist associated with the blacklist so you can make an appeal. I don't quite know the appeal process, but the whitelist is certainly not empty.

Also, this raises the question: why is the KFC account following a bunch of toolbags? Actually, why is it following over 43 thousand accounts, anyway? I guess it got a bit caught in the backlash. But if they care, they can almost certainly get whitelisted. If they care.

This isn't actually the same person, so I guess it happened to a few people.

Good god those cutscene graphics are...subpar for a PS3 game and have horrible bloom. But a Wii U game?? Were they even trying?

Been hearing from someone who got the game two days early (???) that it's glitchy and bad framerate and...not good.

I tried to play the Wii U game when I was at PAX Prime a few months ago and uh.

I could jump and run alright.

I didn't see any enemies or objectives though, so I dunno what was up with that.

General Rotors / Re: Myst, why does Keith keep asking you questions?
« on: October 23, 2014, 07:56:06 PM »
I hear they're making a Myst TV show.

General Rotors / Re: Where did Squishdiboo go?
« on: October 22, 2014, 06:01:25 PM »
I deleted my facebook like 5 years ago.

General Rotors / Myst, why does Keith keep asking you questions?
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:12:42 PM »
Also, why are you still on dial-up?

General Rotors / Twitter is a funny place
« on: October 20, 2014, 03:32:25 AM »

I'm still not entirely sure how this happened.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:27:31 PM »
Arch... while I agree with your first two paragraphs, Leigh Alexandra has been... well the lightest I can put this is "very antagonistic" towards pro-GG people. She wrote one of the main "Gamers are dead" articles, she was recently quoted as saying "I'm a megaphone, I will destroy you" to someone who challenged her opinion; and sure, while I'm slinging mud, I may as well throw in the fact that months ago she wrote an article attacking the Sonic fandom saying they suffered from arrested development and drew furry porn under the guise of game critique (she actually retweeted a tweet I made querying this stance, which was, surreal. Also got retweeted by MovieBob which stunned me a bit since I follow his stuff... okay.. anyway).

You're making good points Arch, but you're also making that classic mistake that's been one of the things that's constantly exacerbating GamerGate: You're assuming that if a woman is being attacked, it's only because she's female and not for any other reason. This, quite frankly, is sexist (ironically). If you really try to examining what Leigh Alexander has done in relation to GamerGate, and still determine that GG is overreacting, that's fine; but assuming without research that she's only being attacked because she's a woman is not getting us anywhere, and actually might be making things far worse.

I admit that I don't know much about HER PERSONALLY, but you's not been just her. And which male targets have people been going after, other than Phil Fish? Who people seem to be going after because he defended someone...

In terms of sponsors, I understand its motivation, but I've never been entirely comfortable with it. I do think that people who advertise on a gaming website have a right to know what sort of issues or agendas may be raise by a site (particularly if it involves directly attacking its own readership), but to use your own phrase, it does seem below the belt.

In terms of fixing the problems, well in terms of not letting a few sites control game journalism, a new gaming site has been created, and several others have gotten more attention and been promoted for not instantly agreeing with the main sites. A lot of other stuff has been going on including the Escapist changing its terms and rules. Do you have any other suggestions for solutions to the various problems? I'd genuinely be interested in hearing them.

Unfortunately, there's very little that can be done without swaying the whole community. Which uh, is a very difficult thing to do, tbh. I can't think of anything specific, but I'm sure there are things that can be done.

So you follow the "listen and believe" school of thought.

Congratulations, my opinion of you can't get any lower.
If this is how you respond, then I don't want a high opinion from you. I certainly don't have one of you anymore.

Tell me then, Sofox: is it WRONG to demand actual proof of harassment instead of just claiming word-of-mouth?
She clearly faked it, and all of her followers are a vast conspiracy. Got it.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:13:37 PM »
What the fuck is gamer abuse, anyway? Are you proclaiming to be part of some marginalized sect of mystical "gamers" now?

Also, why the fuck would she be lying about it anyway? An attempt to discredit people who HAVE BEEN DOING THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE, TOO? GEE.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:10:02 PM »
Does that make harassing them ok?

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:04:14 PM »

Harassment is bad! Except when the pro-GGers do it, apparently.

Never mind that the owner of Gamasutra was proven to be racist and continues to be.

Why don't YOU grow up and do some research.

Ok, so get the owner thrown out and replaced. That is a thing that companies can do, you know...?

E] It's not even the owner, the complaint is literally about one person, Leigh Alexander. Who people just seem to continually "finding" problems with. All of the complaints seem to be very, very recent, and emanate from

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 10:51:57 PM »
So you're against harassment, but your techniques for trying to bring about change are harrying sponsors until they withdraw? Have you tried hitting ABOVE the belt, instead?

You don't bring about methodical change by bankrupting those you feel are doing things wrong. You bring it about by SOLVING THE ACTUAL INHERENT PROBLEMS.

Gamasutra is, in my experience, one of actually the few GOOD game journalism sites. But no, it's too controversial for a woman to write an opinion piece about harassment, so let's pull out from this entirely.

Grow up.

E] I need to stop viewing this thread, it's only painful. It's hard to look away though, when there's that [new] button :argh:

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:28:34 PM »
You're gonna need to gut the entirety of the gaming journalism industry to have any semblance of standards. When "AAA" games have ads plastered all over the reviews, you have bigger problems than a few indie game devs.

But you should have all figured that out by now.

General Rotors / Re: Hey Myst
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:06:01 PM »

Only one Lobo actually.

General Rotors / Re: So... that whole GamersGate thing
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:04:25 PM »
I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck "pro-GG" means.

General Rotors / Re: This is a thread about vidya gams
« on: September 30, 2014, 11:31:34 PM »
Ctrl+F Valkyria Chronicles. No results?!?!?!

Valkyria Chronicles. Best exclusive on the PS3.

Oh yeah, I meant to play that. I downloaded the demo but haven't gotten around to it yet.

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