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January 29, 2008, 08:41:36 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2008, 08:41:36 PM »
I'm not saying that's a bad framerate or anything, I'm happy with it... But even if blaze had 2gb of ram and a 7600GT, the P4 would still chug on that game.

Well, he can get a crappier card then. I'm relatively sure he could find a pcie card that doesn't bottleneck him much and probably would improve the performance a lot. I really just suggested a 7600gt since they are as common as carp. I would still think it'd be a dramatic improvement - I'd rather have a bottlenecked card than a card that leaves so much unused headroom. I'm actually baffled that Blaze could run TF2 on a PCI based card at all...

What I don't understand is how a 3.2ghz p4 would bottleneck a 7600gt while some dual core 2.2ghz wouldn't, unless somehow it forces the use the both cores for game-related processing. The cores are actually slower... People did mention how low-speed dual cores are actually worse than the high speed single cores. I do understand the RAM problem, though... I guess considering that the 7600gt is a piece of carp generally nowadays that I assumed it could run on a system a few years old pretty well. If he has DDR2, a ram upgrade would be rather cheap and would help in more than just games.

also haet internet cant play tf2 or gmod well still

January 30, 2008, 12:02:03 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2008, 12:02:03 AM »
You really don't seem to know what you're talking about :S

First off, whoever you heard say lower-speed dual core processors were slower than single core processors is an idiot.

A 2.2ghz C2D is actually more like 4ghz. So yes, programs tend to use both cores at the same time (not just games). If they didn't, that would make having 2 cores really really useless.

Dual cores split the processing between both cores, which is more efficient, thus faster. Think of it like someone making dinner. They will have to cook some hamburgers, and make a salad. Well normally, a single cook (a single core processor) would cook the hamburgers, then make the salad after the hamburgers are done. But dual cores add not only an extra cook to the kitchen, but makes the current cook a lot faster. This in-turn, allows the salad to be made at the same time the hamburgers are being cooked, thus dinner is done in half the time.

There are a lot of other things with dual core processors that are a lot better than single core ones, too. They can achieve higher bus speeds, and have much higher L2 Cache. Faster Bus speeds and higher L2 cache  = (once again) higher efficiency.

As for the RAM... Well that's the reason a 7600GT would bottleneck on his current hardware. The P4 and the graphics card are pretty evenly matched. But if there's not enough RAM, the processor and graphics card over load the memory because of just that. There's not enough of it.

Bringing everything up to how I had it before I gave him the hardware (2gb ram, the P4, 7600GT) was fine. The bit about TF2 still chugging if he had a setup like that would be a bottleneck on the processor end. The end result being he'd have to turn most of the settings down to medium, and run it with no FSAA and keep it down at 2x AF or so. But, all of this could probably be fixed if he got a 7900 or something, instead. a 7900 of course taking more graphical load off of the physical CPU, than the 7600 could.
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January 30, 2008, 11:10:42 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2008, 11:10:42 PM »
I have a quad core processor.

My computer never slows down.

Ever.

January 30, 2008, 11:12:07 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2008, 11:12:07 PM »
I have a quad core processor.

My computer never slows down.

Ever.

I hate you.


January 30, 2008, 11:23:52 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2008, 11:23:52 PM »
I want one :|
But it's not worth the money for what I'd be using it for.

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January 30, 2008, 11:58:10 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2008, 11:58:10 PM »
I have a quad core processor.

My computer never slows down.

Ever.

I'm curious: why do you have said processor?
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January 31, 2008, 12:00:17 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2008, 12:00:17 AM »
Oh, by the way, I never got the dedicated server working and have pretty much given up at this point.

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January 31, 2008, 12:08:44 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2008, 12:08:44 AM »
I have a quad core processor.

My computer never slows down.

Ever.

I'm curious: why do you have said processor?

I told him about a price cut for them around the time he was building his PC, so he got one :E

January 31, 2008, 12:17:18 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2008, 12:17:18 AM »
Heh, ok.
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January 31, 2008, 12:21:45 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2008, 12:21:45 AM »
I have a quad core processor.

My computer never slows down.

Ever.

I'm curious: why do you have said processor?

My computer never slows down.

Ever.


January 31, 2008, 12:26:53 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2008, 12:26:53 AM »
Liked the first explanation better :P
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January 31, 2008, 07:07:29 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2008, 07:07:29 AM »
Oh, by the way, I never got the dedicated server working and have pretty much given up at this point.

Dammit, I was wondering but didn't want to bug you.

Thank you for giving it a shot though, we might come up with something else for the future, but for now, I really appreciate you making the effort.

February 02, 2008, 01:23:11 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2008, 01:23:11 PM »
Lance Actionface, Sniper Supreme.


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February 03, 2008, 02:16:09 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2008, 02:16:09 AM »
All righty, I've really gotten into this game over the past few weeks! Enjoying it as in, playing it for two hours or more each night. I play 2fort more than anything else, and so I thought I'd share a strategy I don't think I've seen most people do.

As an engineer, you'll often be guarding the intel. Good places for the sentry include on the desk, and in the middle of the room. I like to use the plug-ins to hop on top of my dispenser, sort of hiding in the shadows. Now here's where I get tricky... I place a teleporter exit, facing the wall, hidden behind the desk. I place the entrance just outside the room, viewable from either hallway. This has a few benefits.

First, it makes really nice "spy bait". They'll (and most other classes, really) will often be unable to resist sapping an unguarded piece of equipment. Obviously I don't care if it goes down, but if it does, I'll know there's someone right outside without even looking. And if I am looking, I can try to get a few good shotgun hits in on 'em as they run to the intel.

And if a spy is stupid enough to take the teleporter, he comes in facing the wall behind the desk, making him a quick target.

February 03, 2008, 03:27:46 AM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2008, 03:27:46 AM »
I must confess I'm not very good at this game. I mean, I'm not terrible, I'm just not that good. I usually hover around the middle point-wise and dream of the triple digits Ashuku keeps shakin' around.

February 03, 2008, 04:00:23 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2008, 04:00:23 PM »
I top the charts with my madskillz when nobody who is any good happens to be on my team.

February 03, 2008, 04:23:40 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2008, 04:23:40 PM »
Guys, I have an announcement to make.
As per the announcement on Steam, the official SER TF2 dedicated server has been opened, and is accessible at sofoxcentral.com/27015

Arch put such a great effort into trying to get a server running (Thanks again Arch), so when it didn't quite come through, I decided to give it a go myself using webspace I had on a server. After fiddling around and fun with SSH, I finally got the TF2 dedicated server downloaded, installed and running. I've currently set it up to run continuously, so theoretically, it should never shut down unless I want it to (even if I close my SSH window and turn off my laptop) so it should be free to join anytime.

If you have any suggestions, feel free to pitch them to me (the server can run other HL2 game like CS:S and HL2:DM). Also I'm a little new to this, so if you see any way I could improve doing this or things I could try out, let me know.

Right now, there's no password on the server, but that's likely to change soon. If and when it does, the password will be, as always, ringeaters.
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February 03, 2008, 05:24:26 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2008, 05:24:26 PM »
Hooray, time for me to free up 2GB on my computer!

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February 03, 2008, 08:18:42 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2008, 08:18:42 PM »

why does my laser gun not work on people? it sometimes goes off on teammates but i stop for fear of being kicked for friendly fire.
i did use it one time on a guy who was putting cool little sparky upgrade packs on sentries and then he went to the flag room and grabbed the intel and turned into a red guy so i had to kill him! i didn't know you could be infected with a virus that makes you change teams :( he was my friend i don't think I can play this game anymore if it makes me question morality

edit: OH MY GOD THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU USE THE LASER ON ALLIES ISN'T IT? SOFOX IF YOU WANT TO BAN ME I WONT BLAME YOU.
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February 03, 2008, 08:47:28 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2008, 08:47:28 PM »
Ashuku, that's still more like having 2 people work on something at the same time, not quite one person having twice the speed. It's not like Pi calculation speeds have doubled or anything. But whatever...

Anyways, SER server is nice and laggy for me. 130 pings ahoy. I think I'd honestly rather play in a server that supplies 30 ping instead, but it's not like I won't play in the SER server. Unless it's still running 2fort. :/
If the server can host source games, maybe we can get a GMOD server running, since that game isn't as lag reliant anyways. It'd be aewsoem.

also waht is this lasser gun you speak of does it support window me

February 03, 2008, 08:52:35 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2008, 08:52:35 PM »
Laser?  There's a laser in TF2?

Anyway, that was one hella cool game.  Had a couple annoying people pop in on us, but, for now, I think leaving  it un-passworded would be best.

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February 03, 2008, 09:12:31 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2008, 09:12:31 PM »
Glad everyone had fun. I really enjoyed it, a good bit of craic, great conversations and a good deal of moral ambiguity. I can honestly say that until now the inherent strangeness of doctors killing people was never quite brought home to me.
I'm gonna keep the server running, and I've confirmed a working password (you should know it by this stage, its written in my last post here). Hope we all continue to have fun.

Penopat, don't worry, I think I've fixed the map cycling though I haven't tested it yet. Sorry about the lag, I wasn't sure it would be fast enough myself. As for Garry's Mod, isn't there already a SER GMod server?

February 03, 2008, 10:32:23 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2008, 10:32:23 PM »
Ashuku, that's still more like having 2 people work on something at the same time, not quite one person having twice the speed. It's not like Pi calculation speeds have doubled or anything. But whatever...

Uh... that's like, exactly what I said. Dual core processors are just that, two processor cores on 1 chip.
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February 03, 2008, 11:17:28 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2008, 11:17:28 PM »
A 2.2ghz C2D is actually more like 4ghz.

what

I still get your point, though

February 03, 2008, 11:28:13 PM
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Re: Team Fortress 2
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2008, 11:28:13 PM »