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November 28, 2012, 01:22:20 AM
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the new paper mario is a bad game
« on: November 28, 2012, 01:22:20 AM »
this is a dark day.

i regret adopting the name "Paper Joshi" around the Internet, now.

November 28, 2012, 08:26:00 AM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 08:26:00 AM »
Is it for the 3DS or did they make one for the Wiiiii U Wiiiiiii U Wiiiiiii?

November 28, 2012, 10:16:00 AM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 10:16:00 AM »
It's for 3DS, but I don't know much about it.  Define "bad game", I heard it had some weird battle system or something.

November 28, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 10:40:53 AM »
The last I heard (from you ["you" being Joshi]) on Twitter was that you rather enjoyed it because it felt like Mario RPG or something?

Anyway, it's bad because:

While we were originally all lead to believe that it was going to be more in the style of Paper Mario 64 and Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door, instead, well, isn't not.

Shitty level system kind of like Super Paper Mario (which was fun for a play through), but at least SPM had, ya know, a central hub with SOME exploration to it.

NO unique characters. Period. Miyamoto opened his damn mouth and told Intelligent Systems to only use existing Mario characters, so we don't have any cameos from other Paper Mario games and no new good ones. Just a shit load of toads.

No longer does it have that "Mario Story" feel like the series originally intended. You know, the whole reason it's called Paper Mario. Like a book. Or "Mario Story" in Japan.

The sticker system is a shitty idea period. Having a limited attack system in any game is usually (usually), awful. And in this case it is awful. SORRY MARIO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY STICKERS SO YOU CAN'T JUMP OR USE THAT HAMMER YOU CARRY AROUND. Sorry.

No partners. C'mon, we were lead to believe that we had a CHAIN CHOMP buddy way back when! And instead, nope.

Other things too. It's just a huge disappointment. Which is unfortunate because I absolutely love the Paper Mario series.

November 28, 2012, 02:14:40 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 02:14:40 PM »
Miyamoto's been responsible for a lot of disappointment in the Mario franchise, what with his whole adamant stance on making the characters the video game equivalent of Roger Rabbit toons. Because of that, he doesn't want actual story beyond  the characters' archetypical roles.

November 28, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 06:05:22 PM »
Nahh, AJ.  What I said was I kinda liked one particular thing about the game.

You pretty much hit all the complaints, though.  No story, no characters, shitty battles.  The battles are especially bad because you get nothing out of them except coins to buy stickers (which are already laying around all over the place. I have TOO MANY stickers, I don't need to buy more!) which makes them feel essentially pointless.  Basically, since there's no experience points or levels, all the battles do is suck your HP and your stickers and your time.  They're all completely pointless, and I've found myself just running away from most.

The battles also went back to the idea of hitting A at a specific time to do more damage, for every attack, which is way less fun than Thousand Year Door's system.  There's also no real indication of when to hit the button, so I legitimately have no clue how to time the hammer.  Additionally, there's no real way to choose who to attack.  If you use the battle spinner then the second and third stickers will hit the second and third guys, but there's no way to, for example, focus entirely on the second enemy in the line with every attack. (Also, the battle spinner only lasts for one round.  By default you're almost always doing one 1 attack per round, which is kind of shitty).

Also, and I'll admit this is a personal complaint and not a "bad" thing intrinsically, the numbers used are WAY higher.  You start with 20 HP, Goombas have 6, a basic jump attack does 7 damage if you don't time it.  That's crazy.  It's a far cry from when Goombas have 2 HP, and the most damage you can do without badges is 6.

Also also, yeah, no partners.  Bullshit.


The "shitty level system" is actually the ONE thing I kind of like about the game.  Because, yeah, it reminds me of Super Mario RPG.  The levels themselves need to be longer, but dividing the game up like that I don't think was a bad move.

However, at the same time, I recognise that the reason they broke it up like that is because HEY GUYS REMEMBER MARIO 3?? YOU LOVED THAT GAME RIGHT? LOOK THIS IS LIKE THAT SO YOU SHOULD LOVE THIS TOO ALSO WOW COOL FROG SUIT YEAH COOL!!!!!!!  which is absolutely the worst reason to do it.




oh, no, wait.  the music and the visuals are fantastic as well.  The music is really good and jazzy, the game looks like everything is made from like paper and cardboard and stuff, which is REALLY cool, and good to finally see a proper return to.  But the reason both of these are so good is because they could focus on them because there are no characters and no story so they could use that part of the budget elsewhere.

so, yes, presentation is amazing, gameplay is amazingly bad.  all style, no substance.

November 29, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 04:37:43 PM »
no story?

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November 29, 2012, 08:41:46 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 08:41:46 PM »
The story is that Bowser touched the Sticker Comet, got powerful, and kidnapped Peach.

There's none of the Paper Mario charm.  No wink and a nudge, "Here we go again, eh? ;)"  It plays the story completely straight, very much to its detriment.

Peach is not a character.  She has one or two lines ("Save me, Mario!").  She is a prize that you win at the end.

Bowser is not a character.  He has the same number of lines as Mario.  Mario, if you'll remember, never has any lines.  Bowser is nothing more than an obstacle.

it's all bullshit.

November 29, 2012, 11:31:09 PM
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November 30, 2012, 05:42:54 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 05:42:54 PM »
Yeah I was reading that last night.  It really sucks that a lot of the answers boil down to "we were GOING to make a good game, but Miyamoto's dick just tastes SO GOOD"

November 30, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
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November 30, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 10:42:17 PM »
The above has been blocked in my country.  NOTHING SHOULD BE BLOCKED IN MY COUNTRY.

December 01, 2012, 12:57:36 PM
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 12:57:36 PM »
omg is the american government finally censoring our internet

December 02, 2012, 02:32:25 AM
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December 02, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2012, 11:44:57 PM »
omg is the american government finally censoring our internet

Funny you should mention Internet Censorship...

December 03, 2012, 02:42:07 AM
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 02:42:07 AM »
There are too many words in that article for me to read in my current state of mind

December 03, 2012, 03:47:35 AM
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 03:47:35 AM »
Try the second link then for shorter, sweeter coverage...plus video!

And, to remain from shooting too far out on a tangent, this thread is great.  I know to avoid the 3DS Paper Mario as it sacrificed fun for a taste of Shigeru Miyamoto's fabled dick.  Just a wild guess, but I'd bet that it probably tastes like a mushroom.

December 03, 2012, 10:01:03 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2012, 10:01:03 PM »
You mean they actually made one that was worse than Super Paper Mario.... I need to lay down....

....I... I thought it was gonna be.......  I need a drink. Excuse me... Is Nintendo just dead? Are they just COMPLETELY incapable of making good games outside of Smash Bros and Pokemon? Paper Mario Sticker Star was THE REASON I was gonna get a 3DS....
- This is sure to end in hijinks!
(I'm watching you, I'm always watching you. -)

December 03, 2012, 10:06:35 PM
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2012, 10:06:35 PM »
How dramatic

December 03, 2012, 10:48:45 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2012, 10:48:45 PM »
Super Paper Mario is an amazing game you shut your fucking mouth.

December 03, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2012, 10:48:58 PM »
You're banned from this topic.  BANNED.

December 03, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2012, 10:49:22 PM »
Spazz give me back mod powers so I can enforce my threats.

December 04, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 01:14:27 PM »
Super Paper Mario was a great graphic novel, that was falsely advertised as a game. Can we leave it at that?

Well, no, because I have to at least partially agree with:

Super Paper Mario is an amazing game you shut your fucking mouth.

... it has to be put into context.  It's like when a video game is turned into a live action movie, and it's terrible.  But if you just took the movie and ignored what it was based on, it's really not that bad.  I put Super Paper Mario in that circle -- after the first two being very fun and stylized RPGs, this one decided to go platformer route and made a mess for those who wanted another RPG game.  But as long as you don't try to see it as a game that decided to completely abandon the Paper Mario gameplay style it's really a nice little platformer/RPG game.

But I too am disappointed to hear about Sticker Star.  I'm unsure if I want to buy it now, and it was a major title I was looking forward to. But I'll think about it...

December 04, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 09:02:59 PM »
Who are you replying to Rob???

Anyway don't even think about it.  Just don't buy it.

December 04, 2012, 09:48:37 PM
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Re: the new paper mario is a bad game
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 09:48:37 PM »
Who are you replying to Rob???

I was basing my reply to Sera by using your statement as a framework.


Anyway don't even think about it.  Just don't buy it.

Well, would be slightly irresponsible of me to take action based on one man's opinion.  :awesome:  But based on what you've described, sounds like sux.