Let's all convince Sofox that Super Mario is pretty cool.

[Keith Stack]

make me one

[Zodberg]

When was the last time a new Dr. Mario came out?

[Josie]

I got to play Mario 3D World over the weekend.

It was okay.  I'm a little worried that the level design's gonna be as bleh as 3D Land, and the Wiimote controls are fucking atrocious, but the multiplayer was good.

[Vexiss]

make me one

perfect

thanks

[Myst]

The Adventures of Super Mario Bros 3 (And every other Mario cartoon) is awesome.

The same cannot be said for Sonic..

[SoNick]

If by "awesome" you mean "seemed great as a kid but nostalgia goggles aside actually pretty shit" then yeah, the Mario cartoons were "awesome."
Same goes for the Sonic cartoons, actually.

[Fadflamer]

Sonic Underground confirmed for best cartoon ever

[Zodberg]

If by "awesome" you mean "seemed great as a kid but nostalgia goggles aside actually pretty shit" then yeah, the Mario cartoons were "awesome."
Same goes for the Sonic cartoons, actually.

I think you're really glossing over the Capt. Lou factor.

[Keith Stack]

Another thing Mario has over Sonic is that the Mario games aren't filled up the wazoo with game-breaking bugs and terrible physics.

I mean look at this garbage:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC0E9zvZpHk[/youtube]

[Myst]

It's not just nostalgia glasses. The old Mario cartoons really captured the feel of the games. All of Mario's power-ups were there, the green pipes, even sound effects from the games.

None of Sonic's cartoons were able to do that.

SatAM was full of original characters & furry drama bullshit

Underground had that dumb rock-band angle, and added some Hedgehog Queen.

Sonic X focused more on the new human characters & had an awful dub.

AoSTH looked like garbage, & introduced that dumb chili dog thing, but at least it was funny. Still lacked the feel of the games, though.

Another thing Mario has over Sonic is that the Mario games aren't filled up the wazoo with game-breaking bugs and terrible physics.

Yeah, Sonic2006 was awful, but still, I've had way more fun playing games like SA1, SA2, Unleashed, Generations, SEGA Tennis, the first Sonic Riders & Advance series,
than I ever did with Mario Sunshine, Paper Mario, Mario Party, Smash Bros, MK: Double Dash! Luigi's Mansion, or any other retarded Mario spinoff.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the classic NES & SNES Mario's, but I haven't really been impressed by a Mario game since Mario 64..

IMO, Mario jumped the shark years ago..

[H Hog]

Well, at the time the Sonic and Mario shows were respectively made, the Mario games had more characters and lore then (ironically) the Sonic games did. There just wasn't as much to work with.

[Southbird]

AoSTH looked like garbage, & introduced that dumb chili dog thing, but at least it was funny. Still lacked the feel of the games, though.

Granted it didn't really reflect the games, but of all of the 90s cartoons, it did at least have the most actual game references.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the classic NES & SNES Mario's, but I haven't really been impressed by a Mario game since Mario 64..

IMO, Mario jumped the shark years ago..

I'll agree to a point that a lot of modern Mario games aren't remarkable. But I think a little break down is needed.

• Sunshine was kind of an experiment that mostly didn't work out. (More than anything, control issues made it unplayable for me.)
• The modern real-3D Mario Kart games make for excellent multiplayer, and in their own genre I think they stand on their own. Granted the most recent iterations since MKWii haven't been ground-breaking.
• Smash Bros. is mostly for people who like crossovers among their favorite characters duking it out. If that doesn't appear to you, then it's just not going to work.
• Paper Mario is a mixed bag. The original and TYD were decent RPGs with a lot of good humor. Super Paper Mario is really a hybrid platformer, but still had a lot of the charm. Sticker Star just kind of ruined it for me -- too much creative control took away the bit of charm it had left, made it the only one I have no desire to replay. I'd say judge each of them individually for their strengths and weaknesses, because they're not really consistent.
• Mario Galaxy to me was the first 3D Mario that really worked. Mario 64 was special as a period piece, but it was often tedious to play. Galaxy refined the control scheme and included a lot of pretty visuals with an excellent orchestra that conveyed a vast universe. With exception of a few annoying gag levels, the game is just fun to play without being overly challenging most of the time, which is a feature I like in Mario games. The story was better in the first one. The second one felt more like an "Add-On Level Pack."
• New Super Mario Bros. is overall nothing new, ironically. It is pretty much just classic style gameplay. However, those of us with fond memories of playing the old games often find comfort in it. The NES was easily the most favorable memory of my childhood, and caused a lot of bonding among my siblings. NSMB doesn't really bring anything to the table, but it's Good Old Mario, and for some of us, that's all we ever really wanted.
  

[Josie]

Granted the most recent iterations since MKWii haven't been ground-breaking.

All one of them.

[Zodberg]

Look. Mario solves racism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZFeSswa4T4
Did Sonic ever solve racism?

[Southbird]

Granted the most recent iterations since MKWii haven't been ground-breaking.

All one of them.

I was thinking ahead to what I've seen so far with the Wii U one.

[Josie]

You mean the one that turns into F-Zero?  That's like the Most Different looking Mario Kart of them all.

[0005 maS maS]

What ever happened to F-Zero? GX was stunning, I'd love a follow up. Or a 3DS version could be cool.

[Vexiss]

something about we've done all we can with f zero i think

[James]

It's more like they don't know what to do with F-Zero. They DO want to make another one, though.

[H Hog]

A 3DS F-Zero would be amazing, I bet.
But then, I said the same thing about a motion controlled Star Fox on the Wii, and that never happened either so *shruuuugggg*

[0005 maS maS]

What's there to do? Just try make it feel a little bit faster, whack it on the 3DS and let people enjoy the motion sickness madness.

[James]

It was already insanely fast in GX/AX. I don't see how they could make it any faster.

[0005 maS maS]

Faster.

[Vexiss]

But then, I said the same thing about a motion controlled Star Fox on the Wii, and that never happened either so

hmm

[Seph]

Faster.

I guess it falls to me then.